Why do some players hate Gibson so much?

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Okay dude, he said players, that plural, there’s only one dude in the video but multiple comments, plural. Thanks for saving everybody from confusion. I don’t know what we would do without you.
 

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Okay dude, he said players, that plural, there’s only one dude in the video but multiple comments, plural. Thanks for saving everybody from confusion. I don’t know what we would do without you.
No need to get snarky. I just don't like selective quoting that strips the text of its relevance and meaning. His complaint was about the video. His view on the comments was an afterthought.
 

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No need to get snarky. I just don't like selective quoting that strips the text of its relevance and meaning. His complaint was about the video. His view on the comments was an afterthought.
OP asked you twice if you read the comments and you basically asked who gives a **** about the comments.
OP has one sentence. It has an “and”in it. That means it has 2 subjects… video AND comments.
Funny you don’t like selective quotes or comments when you select your own part of the sentence and comment about it.
 
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Time has yet to tell what happens to poly-whatever-it-is over time.

And I thought the "cool" thing was to buy a new instrument that's been professionally beaten up anyway?
That is Hilarious...I swear ,I just do not get the whole AGED look THANG ???? If I buy a new GIBSON Standard...I want as close to perfect GIBSON Standard as is manufactured...then, over time, I will take care of the aging process by draggin the guitar around the world and beating it as close to death as possible on a daily basis......this is the usual Modus Operandi .....and with that M.O. the guitars look good and, I prefer to say, 'WELL PLAYED' rather than 'AGED'...

TIME FRAME for the 'WELL PLAYED' look comes in after about 3 years of daily playing/beatings. Then usually at that point it is almost always time for a refret or time to consider if I like the guitar enough to invest in a refret ? or should I do it myself ?.............or..... sell it ???
 

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Poly can/will crack in the exact same places for the exact same reasons but it is a lot tougher in general. I have older Epiphones that have finish cracks at the neck joint as well as around the nut and along the binding. It happens faster and more often with Nitro because in addition wood movement with seasonal changes the Nitro itself shrinks over time.
Lest we forget. Nitrocellulose is 20th century CAR PAINT.

It was outlawed globally at some point in the 90s because the solvents were, allegedly, destroying the ozone layer. The solvents also do pretty nasty things to human lungs, I believe.

Anyway, it was used by Fender etc. back in the 50s because DuPont was making the stuff by the supertanker load for the American car industry, it was available in all sorts of exciting 1950s car colors, but above all because it was CHEAP. I very much doubt Leo ever imagined his 1950s, mass produced (relatively speaking) guitars would be highly sought after 70 years later. Rather, played for a few years, sold on, repainted, etc., two or three trips through a pawn shop, eventually going in the dumpster.

As for poly-whatever, it's applied thicker, it should be more elastic, more robust, and uses water as it's solvent. Kid with belt sander aside, it should last longer.
 

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OP was referring to the comments

Yes. The OP did also make reference to comments. After reading through a few dozen of them, some are general "I'll never buy another Gibson" statements, but others do make reference to specific issues - some even supporting the observations in the video.

I don't see why anyone should take the comments or the video personally, however. I have three Gibsons - two SGs and a Les Paul Custom. I've watched several videos over the years which are negative toward Gibson. It has zero impact on my enjoyment of my guitars. I don't have them because someone else likes them; I have them because I like them. By the same token, it would be a mistake to be so brand-loyal as to pretend issues don't exist simply because of some psychological commitment to a label.

The video and associated comments are the experiences of those people. Do my positive experiences invalidate their negative experiences? No. Likewise, their negative experiences do not invalidate my positive ones.
 

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Yes. The OP did also make reference to comments. After reading through a few dozen of them, some are general "I'll never buy another Gibson" statements, but others do make reference to specific issues - some even supporting the observations in the video.

I don't see why anyone should take the comments or the video personally, however. I have three Gibsons - two SGs and a Les Paul Custom. I've watched several videos over the years which are negative toward Gibson. It has zero impact on my enjoyment of my guitars. I don't have them because someone else likes them; I have them because I like them. By the same token, it would be a mistake to be so brand-loyal as to pretend issues don't exist simply because of some psychological commitment to a label.

The video and associated comments are the experiences of those people. Do my positive experiences invalidate their negative experiences? No. Likewise, their negative experiences do not invalidate my positive ones.
So the question is the answer.

Deep.
 
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the OP's original question was: Why do some players hate Gibson?

I'll admit that I don't know. Maybe it's because they are expensive, and players resent that. That's understandable. Maybe it's that musicians can be perfectionists. Anyone fool enough (or rich enough) to pay Gibson's top prices ought to demand and expect VERY high quality.
Aye... there's the rub... the concept of perfection is an illusion.

How many posts do we see on this forum where guys cry and moan about some easily fixed quality issue on their new Gibson guitar?
OMG, I paid so much and it isn't perfect... We see those all the time.
I don't know if Fender forums get those kinds of crybaby posts, or if Fender's QC is better. I'm a Fender player too, and count on Fender to be durable and practical. And mine are.

I grew up in Michigan, a couple hundred Kilometers from Kalamazoo. Gibson was always regarded as something to be desired, something to strive for... I delivered newspapers on a bicycle, and the newspapers covered events at Gibson, especially strikes when the workers got uppity. Gibson bosses hated organized labor so much that they shipped the plant to Nashville and threw all those great craftsmen and women out of work, and hired new workers with no union to protect them, in the name of profit.

That's a reason to hate Gibson, but nobody talks about it.
Seventies Gibsons weren't built the way the "golden age" craftsmen built them, and Gibson's reputation took a huge hit that lasted for decades. But they could pay the workers less. They probably cheated their old workers out of their pensions too... typical factory boss behavior. I don't know this, but it fits the profile.

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I don't hate Gibson. I never have. My three beauties are what I would regard as guitars of a lifetime. Two are humble SG specials, free from the decorations that some players prefer. My three beauties are all "less expensive" versions of guitars that can get very pricey indeed.
But not mine.

I never paid top Gibson prices (and never could, or will) and I own three excellent and very elegant guitars that enhance my music in ways that can't be measured by money. Lucky me... If anything needed fixing or adjusting on my Gibsons, I simply took care of it. For me
it's all about the music that can be made with them.

I bought them because I wanted that guitar at that price... I have them just the way I want them now, and they give great service with very few problems. Yay Gibson...
Well said.
 

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I don’t pay much attention to hate videos. Play a bunch of guitars and then decide for yourself. I find most of these videos off base or make claims or comparisons that aren’t proper. I could go on and on about how flawed fenders are or how Leo got this or that wrong. It’s like politics and religion no one is changing anyone’s mind.
 

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Time has yet to tell what happens to poly-whatever-it-is over time.

And I thought the "cool" thing was to buy a new instrument that's been professionally beaten up anyway?
If you wanna see examples, take a look at some of the Ibanez Roadstar II guitars on reverb. They have paint damage on a lot of them. However, that is to be expected on guitars that old.
 

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If you wanna see examples, take a look at some of the Ibanez Roadstar II guitars on reverb. They have paint damage on a lot of them. However, that is to be expected on guitars that old.
IMO Poly doesn't age well. By that I mean age naturally. Nitro ages like a distinguished gentleman with grey hair and wrinkles.

Poly stays shiny and new while everything attached to it begins to age. I had a 93 MIJ 62 reissue Strat. The fretboard, hardware, pickups, and all plastics began to show legitimate wear/age but the body looked new. Very unnatural.

I replaced the body with a Hwy 1 and now that the guitar is a Partscaster, it doesn't look like one.
 
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I dont hate Gibson, never have, i belong to the opposite group, i like Gibson and i always adored their instruments and craftmanship
Take time and watch this gem video
I am surprised how many women worked there amd when i watched new factory tour video from Gibson, i think the process didnt change that dramatically.

Is this Kalamazoo factory?
 

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I'm saying Nitro shrinks over time and when that happens it can crack. This is most often seen where two materials meet and often has nothing to do with movement of those materials other than the movement of materials (especially Nitro finishes) during seasonal changes.

The more instances you have different materials meeting, the more instances of Nitro cracks you'll see (over time).

Fenders in general have less of these finish cracks because they don't have set necks, they don't have inlays, they don't have binding or in other words don't have all the things I personally love about my Gibsons.

However, you'll still see Fenders (and any other brand) with finish checking on Nitro which is still basically the same thing.

Here is my 2017 Custom Shop SG.
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Certainly the inlays can't be moving due to string pressure. It's just two different materials covered by Nitro.
May I ask? Does that SG CUSTOM BAD-A$$ have the 490 pickup's in it ? I was waiting for GIBSON CUSTOM Shop to make a Lester or SG CUSTOM w/CUSTOMBUCKER's .....for quite a while......since 2012....and FINALLY, in mid-2019 GIBSON made an EXCLUSIVE for ZZZOUNDS dot com w/CUSTOMBUCKERS......imma sure your SG CUSTOM is a BEAST as well, those SG's just look so BAD-A$$ w/DC Diamond Headstock In-Lays...OOH BABY !!!.........'REX' the Lester CUSTOM Black-Beauty has the same specs as the '68 CUSTOM Re-Issue so it was definitely worth the wait....

IDK maybe Imma just a li'l too picky BUT IDTS....... for my CUSTOM shop $$$$ I cant bring myself to be buying GIBSONS cheapest pickup's on a $4,000.00++++ Guitar.
 
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Yes. The OP did also make reference to comments. After reading through a few dozen of them, some are general "I'll never buy another Gibson" statements, but others do make reference to specific issues - some even supporting the observations in the video.

I don't see why anyone should take the comments or the video personally, however. I have three Gibsons - two SGs and a Les Paul Custom. I've watched several videos over the years which are negative toward Gibson. It has zero impact on my enjoyment of my guitars. I don't have them because someone else likes them; I have them because I like them. By the same token, it would be a mistake to be so brand-loyal as to pretend issues don't exist simply because of some psychological commitment to a label.

The video and associated comments are the experiences of those people. Do my positive experiences invalidate their negative experiences? No. Likewise, their negative experiences do not invalidate my positive ones.
You are correct Sir ! Every manufacturer has a slip-up now and again..Be it Cars, chess sets virtually anything manufactured.......its just that usually a Quality Control inspector is supposed to prevent the Turkeys from getting out the door, or manufacturer sells the blemished items at a discount....GIBSON used to do that with what they called 'Seconds' that were marked '2' on the blemished axe....but GIBSON did away with that during the early '70's...IIRC, and that is a big if....

Also IIRC, Angus Young's #1 or #3, that he purchased at Manny's in NYC in the late '70's, has that exact marking (2) on it and Angus said he liked it because he was kind of a reject too, or some **** like that....
 


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